Working With My Mom

Mothers and daughters say that owning a business together is rewarding--and fun.


Mindy Alperin, 54, Jamie Lazar, 28, and Lauren Alperin, 26
Venture: Zakkerz Inc.
Location: Jamie and Lauren live in New York City; Mindy lives in Atlanta

Zakkerz Inc. was born out of frustration. Sisters Jamie Lazar and Lauren Alperin walked to work in New York City in sneakers, then switched to heels at work. But their pants dragged on the ground during their walks. They kept complaining about it to each other and to their mom, Mindy Alperin.

One day, Mindy said, "I've got this idea." She bought some magnets, sat down at a sewing machine and created the Zakkerz prototype. That was August 2006. By November, the trio had incorporated and by July 2007, they were selling Zakkerz online. "Sales started slow but have continued to grow every month," Lazar says. Although Mindy lives in Atlanta, the trio stays in constant contact. Lazar and Lauren retain their full-time jobs as CPAs, but Mindy works full-time on the business, with some help from her husband.

They handle any conflicts in a straightforward manner. "I think we're close enough that we all understand everybody's weaknesses and strengths," Lazar says. "It's OK for us to get into an argument; we argue it out. Five minutes later, we're fine."

If a decision isn't reached immediately, they come back to it after everyone has a chance to think it through. Typically, the solution combines everyone's ideas. "Or someone wins and someone loses, and we move on," Mindy says. "One of us will eventually just let it go. That's the nature of how we work together."

The advantage of working with family members is that they can be honest with one another. "These are people that I trust completely, and we all have the same goal in mind," Mindy says.

Lazar says she learned persistence from her mother. "My mom is one of the most determined people I know. She sets her mind on something, and she's going to get it done." The girls are the same way. "We both did incredibly well in school. If we're going to study for a test, we do it all the way. That's just what our mom has taught us to do."

The danger of working with family members is the tendency to let the business take over your life. "Sometimes," Mindy says, "you have the start the conversation with, 'What can we talk about that doesn't start with a Z' "?



Rosemarie diSalvo, 63 and Annemarie diSalvo, 38
Venture: diSalvo Interiors
Location: New York City

Rosemarie and Annemarie diSalvo had always talked about opening a business together. "We have a very close relationship, which is very special," Rosemarie says. Finally, in 1996, Annemarie quit her job with an interior design firm, Rosemarie left the legal field--where she specialized in liquidating estates--and they opened a shop selling antiques.

Annemarie had said she'd never go back to designing again. But then customers who bought their wares, especially antique sofas, began coming to them with questions, such as "How do I re-upholster this?"

Soon diSalvo Interiors morphed into an interior design and project management firm. "Clients leave their home for six months, and we hand them the key when they come back," Rosemarie says. Annemarie focuses on architecture and building codes. Rosemarie prefers the "fluff stuff," such as window treatments.

Sales last year totaled $2.7 million, and the pair expects that to hold steady in 2008. Around New York they're known as the "naked designers" because of an ad chosen in a national contest to appear in Times Square.

"I learned more about design from Annemarie than I did in school," says Rosemarie, who had gone back to school to earn a design degree. In turn, Annemarie learned the ins and outs of running a business from her mother.

The biggest advantage to working together, they say, is trust. "I don't have to think twice about anything she's doing," Rosemarie says. "And we always know that any decision being made is not from a personal agenda.


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"There's never been that tension where I know better because I'm older or she's been doing this longer and perhaps her ideas are better. We fight more with our husbands," Rosemarie says.



Susan Stoneburner, 57, and Kristen Stolle, 32
Venture: Pacific Design Directions Inc.
Location: Anaheim, California

Susan Stoneburner started the interior design firm Pacific Design Directions Inc. in 1979. She soon focused on commercial design, and today owns an $18 million firm with four divisions: Pacific Interior Design, Pacific Interior Electric, Pacific Construction and Pacific Electrical Engineering.

Daughter Kristen Stolle was working in the legal arena when she came home seven years ago for knee surgery. Bored during her recovery, she started helping out at Pacific Design "and learned that I really loved it."

It wasn't always easy, she says. "Because we are the boss's kids (her brother, Reed, heads the electrical division) there is the perception that things are handed to us. We have to work 10 times harder and prove day in and day out that we've earned the right to be here."

Stolle says the advantage of working with her mother is that they think alike. "We have the same ideas about how to resolve [a problem] quickly and effectively." Adds Stoneburner, "Kristen is much more current in building codes and what cities require, and she remembers all the details of the scope of work. I'm more big picture. With that, we complement each other."

Stoneburner's advice to other mother-daughter teams is unequivocal: "The elder person needs to shut up and listen to the younger people because they have some pretty good ideas."

But Stolle adds a caveat: "Children, at the same time, need to shut up and take a lesson from their parent. They don't know everything. My generation seems to think we can solve the world's problems in a minute. We also need to step back and listen."



Patty McDonald, 55; Robyn Dague, 36; and Aimee Guentert, 27
Venture: Saf-T-Co
Location: Santa Ana, California

Patty McDonald started Saf-T-Co in 1987 after she was frustrated in her efforts to rise in the ranks of the male-dominated underground utility industry. Saf-T-Co Supply distributes underground utility and electrical supplies and manufactures PVC, steel and fiberglass fittings and bends. Sales last year totaled $24 million, and McDonald is projecting $25 million in 2008.

Informally, McDonald's daughters have been involved since Saf-T-Co's inception as a home-based business. More formally, they started working in the business as teenagers, and each left for a time to explore the world beyond Saf-T-Co. Both, however, were inexorably drawn back. McDonald's husband also works at Saf-T-Co, as does Robyn Dague's husband.

Says Aimee Guentert, who returned to Saf-T-Co a year to the day after going to work for a lawyer, "A big advantage is that I get to work closely with my parents. I like having somebody I'm comfortable with to talk with and figure things out."

For McDonald, the reward of working with her daughters is clear: "What's better than seeing your kids every day?"

They can't remember the last time they had an argument. "We listen to each other and talk about issues and things, but we always walk away feeling comfortable without being argumentative," McDonald says.

Guentert advises other mothers and daughters to know where to draw the line between business and family relationships. "When we walk out the door, we try to leave as much here as we can, and we can all go home and be a family and still sit down for dinner Sunday night."



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